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	<title>Comments on: Internet Explorer fumbles.. he&#039;s down!</title>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://sixohthree.com/161/internet-explorer-fumbles-hes-down/comment-page-1#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why anyone would use anything other then Opera is beyond me. :-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why anyone would use anything other then Opera is beyond me. <img src='http://sixohthree.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Flamer</title>
		<link>http://sixohthree.com/161/internet-explorer-fumbles-hes-down/comment-page-1#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>Flamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But all macs suck so who would use them anyway. d:

j/k, but yea, why not just use Opera you wanker. I wuv me some Opera. &#160;Woo woo for Opera!

Mmmmmm, I love my new fan. &#160;And hey Justin, I bought some of my very own Arctic Silver (v 3.0!) woo woo. &#160;Want to borow it for a year? (:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But all macs suck so who would use them anyway. d:</p>
<p>j/k, but yea, why not just use Opera you wanker. I wuv me some Opera. &nbsp;Woo woo for Opera!</p>
<p>Mmmmmm, I love my new fan. &nbsp;And hey Justin, I bought some of my very own Arctic Silver (v 3.0!) woo woo. &nbsp;Want to borow it for a year? (:</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Backstrom</title>
		<link>http://sixohthree.com/161/internet-explorer-fumbles-hes-down/comment-page-1#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Backstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s Karl, in case anybody was curious. =P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s Karl, in case anybody was curious. =P</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Opera for the mac sucks. It&#039;s slow, it takes up too much screen real estate. Pure crappiness

But look at the other browsers for the mac:
Mozilla - gecko based. gonna get faster (hopefully) now that it&#039;s based on pheonix.
Camino - gecko based. cocoa front end (and they have RABID followers)
Safari - khtml based. Standard Apple product. not too complex to use, but has some good featuers (tabs, pop up blocking)
OmniWeb 4.5 - khtml based. Lots of power features (complex ad blocking, autoupdating bookmarks, advanced cookie controls). Finally renders decently, wont be a power player until it has tabs like the rest of the mac browsers.

So baiscally, now there are 4 main browsers for mac os x. all based on opensource renders. I think this fares well for the open source community</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opera for the mac sucks. It&#8217;s slow, it takes up too much screen real estate. Pure crappiness</p>
<p>But look at the other browsers for the mac:<br />
Mozilla &#8211; gecko based. gonna get faster (hopefully) now that it&#8217;s based on pheonix.<br />
Camino &#8211; gecko based. cocoa front end (and they have RABID followers)<br />
Safari &#8211; khtml based. Standard Apple product. not too complex to use, but has some good featuers (tabs, pop up blocking)<br />
OmniWeb 4.5 &#8211; khtml based. Lots of power features (complex ad blocking, autoupdating bookmarks, advanced cookie controls). Finally renders decently, wont be a power player until it has tabs like the rest of the mac browsers.</p>
<p>So baiscally, now there are 4 main browsers for mac os x. all based on opensource renders. I think this fares well for the open source community</p>
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		<title>By: Nermil</title>
		<link>http://sixohthree.com/161/internet-explorer-fumbles-hes-down/comment-page-1#comment-82</link>
		<dc:creator>Nermil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a lot more going on behind the scenes with IE/Mac than was made public. It was not abandoned by Microsoft.

One thing to think about: it was one major browser than made the transition from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X. It was probably one of the first Carbon apps. It shipped with Mac OS X 10.0. That took a lot of commitment at a time when Carbon was not as fleshed out as it is today. (Remember that a lot of vendors didn&#039;t ship Carbon apps until after 10.1.)

Let&#039;s also think about the network stacks they had to build on, and how they were different between Mac OS 9 and Mac OS X. What kind of effect could this have had, especially on one of IE/Mac&#039;s major current complaints: speed?

And we have yet to see some of the nice features of IE/Mac in Safari, and I don&#039;t know enough about the others besides Camino to really comment on them: in-page keyboard navigation shortcuts, page holder, auction tracker, in-window history, password management, helper app management, security and proxy support, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a lot more going on behind the scenes with IE/Mac than was made public. It was not abandoned by Microsoft.</p>
<p>One thing to think about: it was one major browser than made the transition from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X. It was probably one of the first Carbon apps. It shipped with Mac OS X 10.0. That took a lot of commitment at a time when Carbon was not as fleshed out as it is today. (Remember that a lot of vendors didn&#8217;t ship Carbon apps until after 10.1.)</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s also think about the network stacks they had to build on, and how they were different between Mac OS 9 and Mac OS X. What kind of effect could this have had, especially on one of IE/Mac&#8217;s major current complaints: speed?</p>
<p>And we have yet to see some of the nice features of IE/Mac in Safari, and I don&#8217;t know enough about the others besides Camino to really comment on them: in-page keyboard navigation shortcuts, page holder, auction tracker, in-window history, password management, helper app management, security and proxy support, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: passim through</title>
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		<dc:creator>passim through</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve used all the browsers. They&#039;re all crap.
Try iCab,it&#039;s small, fast, and gives you more preferences.
Safari is ok,it&#039;s easy to use,but it&#039;s not as customizable.
The new mac comes with Safari, IE/Outlook,Netcape, Aol.
Throw away the last three.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve used all the browsers. They&#8217;re all crap.<br />
Try iCab,it&#8217;s small, fast, and gives you more preferences.<br />
Safari is ok,it&#8217;s easy to use,but it&#8217;s not as customizable.<br />
The new mac comes with Safari, IE/Outlook,Netcape, Aol.<br />
Throw away the last three.</p>
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		<title>By: fp</title>
		<link>http://sixohthree.com/161/internet-explorer-fumbles-hes-down/comment-page-1#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>fp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mac OS X users can install a lot of browsers: Camino, Safari, Opera, Netscape, OmniWeb, IE, iCab, Mozilla Firebird, Mozilla... All of them very good.
The best? Mozilla.
The worst? IE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mac OS X users can install a lot of browsers: Camino, Safari, Opera, Netscape, OmniWeb, IE, iCab, Mozilla Firebird, Mozilla&#8230; All of them very good.<br />
The best? Mozilla.<br />
The worst? IE!</p>
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